Showing posts with label resurrection. Show all posts
Showing posts with label resurrection. Show all posts

Mar 13, 2015

Did Jesus descend into hell?

The Apostle's Creed:
1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:
4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:
5. The third day he rose again from the dead:
6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:
7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:
8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:
9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:
10. The forgiveness of sins:
1l. The resurrection of the body:
12. And the life everlasting. Amen.
When we recite this creed at my church, I do not say 'hell', but replaced the word with 'hades'. The reason why is because I do not believe that Jesus actually went to a place called 'hell' (whatever you may believe that to be). Where he did go was Hades; the grave; the realm of the dead. Why do I believe this? Because the creed says he was crucified, dead and was buried. The next logical step is 'realm of the dead' and as posted before I don't believe anyone goes immediately to hell when they die. Furthermore, the very next line is that he rose again from the dead. The striking thing is that he was not raised from death, but from 'the dead'. This says, quite strongly, that he was among the dead between his death and resurrection whether you take it as a literal grave of the dead or a metaphorical/spiritual underworld/realm. There are clear texts that cite Jesus as being in Hades and none that he was in hell. The most clear ones in my opinion are Acts 2:24-32 as well as Rev 1:16 which says,
"I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen.
And I have the keys of Hades and of Death."
I am not the only one to have questions concerning the claim that Jesus descended into 'hell'. For more information and texts on this position see this post. You can also read JETS articles for and against Jesus descending into hell.

Mar 9, 2015

No one goes immediately to hell when they die


I make a claim that is often jarring to the people I share it with. I see no basis for believing that people immediately go to hell when they die. Think about it. Where does it say anywhere in the Bible that people go to hell when they die? For that matter, where does it say anyone goes to heaven? That's another subject, but it deserves being acknowledged at the same time. Nowhere in the Bible does it ever explicitly say that anyone immediately goes to either place when you die. In the case of heaven, it never says anyone goes there at any point. In the case of hell, it only ever says people are sent there after they face judgment.

I plan to post more on the various geography and terminology of 'hell' in the future, but let's operate under the generally assumption of lumping all of them together for now except for one; Hades. The place called Hades, otherwise known as Sheol, or the grave, or the place of the dead, is not hell. For most occurrences in the new testament the word is translated into it's actually meaning, but historically it was been translated to 'hell' in at least two significant places. This was due to historical developments including the latin translation which only used one word for both hades and hell; 'Inferi'. English translations such as the King James Version and others continued in this tradition and although most modern translations have corrected this error, the conflation of the two terms remains.

The two main texts that are stubbornly held as teaching about hell are the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16 and the quote of Jesus in Mt 16:18: "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it." The NIV even has a footnote pointing out that the word 'Hades' is indeed a reference to the realm of the dead. I will do a full post on the story of the rich man and Lazarus, but the reference to the gates of Hades is also important. The gates of Hades is a reference to the dead being held in death and unable to return to the land of the living. It is not a reference to the gates of hell, satan, demons, the powers of darkness, etc. Although this has traditionally been used as a text in 'spiritual warfare' to claim authority over the devil there is no textual relevance to that subject. What Jesus is actually saying is that the church will not be held in death. The powers of death and hades will not overcome them, but they will be raised on the last day. It is the promise of the resurrection.

So does anyone go to hell when they die? No. They go to Hades; the grave; the realm of the dead. Those who are dead are 'asleep' and will 'awake' at the resurrection on last day at Christ's return and all will be judged. It is then, and only then, that anyone will go to hell. Those who believe that people go to hell when they die have a few problems to deal with, but the biggest problem (aside from there being absolutely no textual support) is that they are forced to believe in something called 'Particular Judgment'. This is the belief that those who die before Jesus' return are judged immediately at death and are sent to heaven or hell. The problem with this is that there are no texts that teach particular judgement, only the final judgement, or what is sometimes called 'general judgment' by those who hold to this peculiar particularist view. The only text in the new testament that seems to give any justification for this position is, once again, the story of the rich man and Lazarus. However, to the original point of this post, even if we concede that particular judgment occurs and the dead are divided into places of bliss or torment, they would still not be in hell. Luke 16:23:explicitly says that they would be in Hades. It seems clear to me that no one goes to hell when they die. What do you think?

Mar 19, 2014

MacArthur ponders whether visits to heaven are for real


I am not a fan of John MacArthur or Answers in Genesis, but I came across this article when a Facebook friend shared it this week and found points of agreement and disagreement that I think are valuable to point out. This is how MacArthur opens the discussion:
In recent years, Christian booksellers have inundated the evangelical world with testimonies from people who say they visited heaven in near-death experiences. Their stories are full of specific details about what heaven is like, who is there, and what is happening in the celestial realm. But when we compare their claims with Scripture, it becomes clear that they are merely figments of the human imagination, not true visions of heaven as it is described in God’s Word.
And why is that? He goes on to say that if you had a true vision of heaven...
You would be preoccupied instead with the majesty and grace of the One whose glory fills the place. Sadly, undiscerning readers abound, and they take these postmodern accounts of heaven altogether seriously. The stratospheric sales figures and far-reaching influence of these books ought to be a matter of serious concern for anyone who truly loves the Word of God.
I agree with his basic point despite his blaming of postmodernism (and other red herrings ad nauseum). What are we to make of these experiences people have when they nearly die (or medically speaking when they do die)? I think that on biblical grounds we can largely dismiss these accounts as not actually referring to the place Christians call heaven, which is where God can be fully beheld in glorious light causing those experiencing these visions to fall down in awe. These near death experiences (NDEs) are highly subjective and often sound more like a temporary and partial loss of vision (a tunnel with a light at the end), experiences similar to a dream, and encounters with known persons or objects. I am personally unconvinced that any NDE reveals details about heaven.

MacArthur goes on to discuss what the Bible says about heaven and ends with this little nugget: "Not one biblical person ever gave any recorded account of his or her postmortem experience in the realm of departed souls." First, I completely agree that the Bible never mentions anything of these sorts of experiences. But second, why do we think anyone goes to heaven when they die based on this truth claim? If the Bible never mentions anyone having any experience of heaven after death then why should we think that anyone goes to heaven when they die in the first place? I think MacArthur is spinning his wheels at this point.

Until recently I also held that people go to heaven when they die, but I now strongly doubt and tentatively reject that concept altogether. The full explanation is long, but the first thing that lead me to make this radical change was that the Bible is even more silent on the subject than I've already asserted above. The fact is that the Bible never once says that anyone goes to heaven when they die. Let me say that again. There is no explicit claim that anyone goes to heaven at the moment of death. I'm sure this fact and my admission comes as a shock to some readers, but I'll do another series of blog posts on this subject at some point soon to break up the series on Creation. The short version is that, along with William Tyndale and Martin Luther, I tentatively hold the minority position of Christian Mortalism, which holds that when people die they are in 'soul sleep' until the resurrection.

Like MacArthur, I do believe in heaven and that the Bible speaks of it as a spiritual reality and the place where God dwells. However, when he wraps up his entry speaking about the glories of heaven, what he really means is that we are to look forward to dying and being in heaven forever, and that the earth is a bad place to be avoided. He says that our citizenship is in heaven, we are strangers on earth, and that the heavenly Jerusalem city is the capital of heaven where we will live forever. The problem I have with this is, it seems to be purely non-physical,  rejects creation, and seems to ignore key pointers as to the direction of what goes where in the final state of all things. For example, we await Jesus from heaven, the heavenly Jerusalem will come down from heaven to the earth, and that paradise (which I think is clearly the new creation) is also fiercely physical and earthly, and in some sense congruent with present experience. I think MacArthur pushes too hard in his rhetoric, clings to a gnostic leaning tradition of escaping earth to a harp-filled golden city on a cloud, and ultimately misses the full redemption of all things in creation. Along with many theologians, I think that the final state involves some sort of merging of heaven and earth into a transformed reality that involves a renewed, physical creation.

Some people refer to a physical place, even a physical earth, when they use the word 'heaven' to denote the final state. If we use the word in this way, then in the end perhaps the NDEs are more like the real 'heaven' than MacArthur is ready to admit.

Nov 6, 2012

Derek Vreeland - The Gospel vs the plan of salvation

I came across yet another group C adherent this week in Derek Vreeland on his blog here. It is essentially another summary of Scot McKnight's book, but has a helpful chart outlining the differences between the gospel and what some call the gospel, but is actually the plan of salvation.





The Gospel
The Plan of Salvation
1.Exemplified in 1 Corinthians 15:3-5Exemplified in the “Four Spiritual Laws”
2.True to the teachings of the ApostlesTrue, but not the gospel
3.A story framed around JesusPrinciples framed out individual human beings
4.Highlights the Person who is the good newsHighlights our benefits
5.Focuses on how God made Jesus alive againFocuses on how we are made right with God
6.Produces disciplesProduces decisions
7.Depends on declaration/creativityDepends on persuasion/rhetoric
8.Creates a gospel cultureCreates a salvation culture

Oct 21, 2012

An Expanded Apostes' Creed

I saw this very interesting expansion of the Apostles' Creed which emulates the same sort of expansion I'm driving for on the gospel: http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/how-i-think-the-creed

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Oct 18, 2012

My long definition of the gospel

This is the last 'definition' post I am bringing over to the blog from a class I am teaching. I already posted my short and medium length definitions with some discussion over the last two days.



My long definition of the gospel:


"The story of how God sent Jesus, by the power of the Holy Spirit, to fulfill the promises made through the prophets to Israel for the nations. By his birth, life, words, deeds, death, burial, and resurrection Jesus has inaugurated the kingdom of God in victory over sin, death, and every evil power. His resurrection and ascension to reign at the right hand of God was witnessed and confirms his claim as Israel's Davidic Messiah, the efficacy of his death on the cross, his appointment as judge over all, and his present rule as the world's true Lord."

You may have noticed that I don't have any 'call to faith' or the need to repent or be baptized in these definitions. That is because I am not preaching the gospel. I am defining it. Perhaps it is a strange way to go about it, but many do and I may end up having a strong opinion against it as we go along through the Bible. I do know that it is important when sharing/preaching/proclaiming the gospel to include an invitation. However, it doesn't always happen when Scripture is defining it or even in Peter's Acts 2 sermon. The people actually respond naturally and ask what they ought to do. This leads to faith in the gospel message and to salvation. This is precisely the discussion I added to this series of definitions with my class this week. You'll notice some overlap with yesterday's post because the following has been cut and pasted whereas yesterday was original material:

One major misunderstanding encountered by others who have adopted this view and what I have now experienced myself is the concern that salvation is thrown to the wayside and that the forgiveness of sins is marginalized. What I normally say is that what happens by changing to a definition like this is that we shift the focus away from 'my sin' 'my need' or why the gospel is good news 'for me' and look to Jesus. It is about who he is, his rule and reign and what he has and will accomplish. The gospel is what Jesus has done, which includes his defeat of sin, death and evil on the cross. This is an essential part of the gospel. It is still a message of the cross, but put into a holistic biblical framework. Jesus' victory as king and establishment as Lord is through the cross and resurrection which brings salvation (forgiveness of sins and much much more) to all who believe.

Because the gospel isn't about me, but about Jesus, it is obedient faith in the gospel of Jesus' saving action that brings salvation. So even though it is a saving story, I'm not 'in' that story until I put my trust in him. This means that the 'gospel' isn't really about 'my salvation' but what Jesus has done, which I put my faith in, which then saves me (or better yet, saves US!). Here are some Scriptures to show what I mean:

1 Cor 15:2 - By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 
Rom 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 
Eph 1:13 - And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. 
1Pet 1:9 - for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

If salvation is the result of faith in the message of the gospel, then it cannot be the gospel message itself. Part of the confusion on this, and the difficulty in explaining it, is due to the cross being a "timeless event" in that it effects all of history both before and after it because of what it achieves.

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Oct 17, 2012

My medium length definition of the gospel

 Yesterday I posted my short definition of the gospel with some discussion here. Tomorrow I will post the long definition and more discussion from a class I am teaching. Today's medium length definition is the one I use the most often because it can very easily be unpacked, yet it contains elements that are often left out or minimized when preaching, proclaiming, or explaining the gospel.



My medium length definition of the gospel:


"The story of Jesus; Israel's Messiah crucified and risen to be Lord over everything (according to the Scriptures) who saves and will judge."

 If you compare it to the short definition, you'll notice it begins and ends the same, but 'Christ' has been replaced with 'Messiah' along with several additions. Messiah is a less familiar term, which is a synonym for 'Christ' meaning 'anointed one' referring to Israel's long expected liberating king. It is the English equivalent to the Hebrew word 'Mashiah' which I inserted to deliberately link Jesus to the Jewish expectation we find in the four gospels. The good news for Israel was a good king coming to liberate them from oppressors and usher in a new age of world shalom or 'peace'. That is also why I identified the Messiah as belonging to Israel, which also links Jesus and the gospel to the whole of the old testament in a stronger way.

Another addition was the inclusion of the crucifixion and resurrection. How did I have a short definition without the cross? It is because 'saves' is a board term and the cross is the means by which Jesus defeats sin, death and evil so save. Also, Paul does the same thing in Romans 1:2-4. The question I would ask back is, "How anyone can define the gospel with the cross and not include the resurrection? This happens pretty frequently, but people don't get as bent out of shape about it. However, the cross without resurrection is empty and powerless. What is achieved together is the overthrow and defeat all else, the vindication of Jesus as the true Messiah, and his establishment as Lord over everything because he is victorious. The point of being Lord 'over everything' is also emphasized in this definition to expand the focus to not only persons or his people, but all so-called powers and the entire cosmos (universe).

The last addition was 'according to the Scriptures', which points back to the Old Testament promises of God to Israel through which Jesus is the fulfillment. It also alludes to the New Testament in that there is much more that could be said about what Jesus as Messiah and Lord, crucified and risen, who saves and will judge means. I think having this phrase point back to the source of Scripture allows acknowledgement that no definition can capture everything there is to say about the gospel. We don't even get one single definition that succinctly handles the whole gospel message without using this tactic. The best one we have is in 1 Cor 15, which uses this phrase twice. The same thing happens in Romans 1. If Paul can omit things with a 'catch all' then so can we.

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Oct 3, 2012

The gospel today (Scott McKnight)

I started my first job as a pastor this week and purposely haven't spent time blogging to take it all in. I have a large post I'm working on, which should be up Friday. In the meantime, i found this great explanation from Scot McKnight about how important it is that we re-think what the gospel is in the light of Scripture. It is partly a polemic defence of his book, The King Jesus Gospel, but in doing so, he articulates the reason I started this blog in the first place. We need to know the gospel according to Scripture.

This is a chart he made within the post:
 
Beside it Scot writes:

"Do you see the massive differences? One only speaks to how I can get saved while the other tells me something about Jesus that saves (me)."

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Sep 21, 2012

Gal 1:11 - 'Gospel' is a verb and a noun

In our English Bibles we find the word 'gospel' or sometimes 'good news', but in the original Greek there is a verb (euaggelizó) as well as the noun (euaggelion). How does the verb get translated? It is normally translated that someone 'proclaimed the good news' or something similar. Really, it ought to say 'gospelled', but that's not a common word. Sometimes the verb and the noun occur in the same place at the same time. This combination occurs five times: 1 Cor 9:18, 15:1; 2 Cor 11:7; Gal 1:11; Rev 14:6.

Today we'll look at Gal 1:11-12 (NRSV)
11 For I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel that was proclaimed by me is not of human origin; 12 for I did not receive it from a human source, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

"The gospel I preached" is literally "the gospel I gospelled." Now this text might not seem like much, but it makes some pretty bold claims that could be misconstrued as contradictory to other statements of Paul regarding the gospel. He states three negatives and adds a positive:

Not of human origin
Not received from anyone
Not taught it

Received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ

Now according to 1 Cor 15:1, Paul received the gospel and passed it on (Which we'll cover another time). The reason for the difference is that Paul is asserting the validity of his apostleship and the validity of the gospel they heard from him as being legitimate. He writes at length shortly thereafter about his conversion and how God revealed his son (Jesus) to him. Then he continues on about how he didn't confer with Peter and company till later and that they affirmed him and added nothing to his gospel.

What Paul is driving home about the gospel is that he personally saw Jesus the Messiah risen from the dead. The gospel hinges on the historic fact of the resurrection and Paul's conversion was a result of an encounter of the risen Lord. He knows the gospel isn't of human origin (made up stories), or receive it from anyone (go find out about it), or have someone explain it all to him because he understood the implications (learned) of his personal encounter (received directly) of Jesus on the Damascus road (real history).

These are all important facts about the gospel, but it is also important that Paul stresses agreement as to what the gospel is. He emphasizes his validity as apostle to preach the gospel and the agreement about what the gospel is because these are the problems he faces in correcting the Galatian church. They need to know that Paul is legit and that the people throwing them into confusion are false teachers. Paul leverages his encounter with Jesus and the solidarity of the gospel message to speak clarity into the situation, which I posted about the last couple of days.

I suppose I should point out how Paul is revealing that the gospel is a revelation of Jesus who has been raised from the dead and is the Messiah (Christ). These are also constant themes, but not the emphasis in this passage.

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